This is a conversation I had with Joe's ex-girlfriend (and the inspiration for Good Friday).   The conversation itself is pretty boring for you non-philosophy majors.  But fuck, the ending makes it all worthwhile.

I (Art) had this conversation with the inspiration for Good Friday.  Nothing like talking to your best friends ex-girlfriend......It's pretty philosophical if you give a rats ass about that.  It's about 2 hours long as well...but don't worry about.  It's the ending that makes it all worth while.  Fucking toasters...

Good Friday (10:24:32 PM): So here's a story, my roomates heard this buzzing noise and it was bothering them. They got so worried that they went downstairs and got the RAs. They followed the noise, to the bathroom and they opened the mirror and realized that it got louder. They were afraid to see what it was because it sounded like a vibrator or something, and it ended up just being my batterized toothbrush, that had turned on. LOL
Holy Crap I Rule (10:27:57 PM): yep
Holy Crap I Rule (10:30:48 PM): make my pain stop
Good Friday (10:31:10 PM): hmm y would i want to and it depends on what kind of pain it is
Holy Crap I Rule (10:32:01 PM): kill bonnie
Good Friday (10:32:44 PM): i wouldn't kill her for joe, so it's not fair that i kill her for you, but I'm sure if you asked someone else who has an honors class with her they'd do it
Good Friday (10:32:57 PM): i thought u got rid of her
Holy Crap I Rule (10:33:06 PM): if you kill her than i'll kill whoever killed jesus for you
Good Friday (10:33:32 PM): he's already dead
Good Friday (10:34:21 PM): and man isn't justified in killing another man just because the man is evil
Holy Crap I Rule (10:36:22 PM): how is not my right to kill a man?
Good Friday (10:36:51 PM): u don't have the right to infringe on other people's rights
Holy Crap I Rule (10:38:57 PM): but isn't the inability for me to infringe his right infringing my right?
Good Friday (10:39:25 PM): I'm not sure
Good Friday (10:39:38 PM): u don't have the right to kill someone because it takes away their right to life
Holy Crap I Rule (10:40:00 PM): but i have the inalienable right to act as i please
Good Friday (10:40:24 PM): according to who?
Holy Crap I Rule (10:40:34 PM): well think about this:
Good Friday (10:41:07 PM): I don't know that much about rights and all but I just wrote a paper on the right to life liberty and property
Holy Crap I Rule (10:41:32 PM): i was given a mind and a body. now, i'm allowed to think as i please. and my thoughts control my mouth. thus i can say what i please. and my thoughts control my body, thus i can commit any action i please. each word/action may have a repurcussion, but i have the right to do it
Good Friday (10:42:15 PM): u think u have the right to do anything u want to just because u were born?
Good Friday (10:42:17 PM): i don't buy that
Holy Crap I Rule (10:42:41 PM): if i have the right to be, i have the right to act
Good Friday (10:43:09 PM): NO!
Good Friday (10:43:16 PM): they're not even close to correlated
Holy Crap I Rule (10:43:22 PM): oh?
Good Friday (10:43:26 PM): u have the right to be that doesn't mean u have the right to act
Holy Crap I Rule (10:43:30 PM): what is the act of being?
Holy Crap I Rule (10:43:36 PM): what makes me 'be'
Good Friday (10:43:37 PM): if everyone acted how they wanted to then there'd just be chaos
Good Friday (10:43:43 PM): there wouldn't be any leaders or anything
Good Friday (10:43:49 PM): the act of being is living
Good Friday (10:43:53 PM): breathing
Good Friday (10:43:56 PM): that's it
Good Friday (10:44:01 PM): if ur a vegetable ur "being"
Holy Crap I Rule (10:44:03 PM): what is the act of living?
Good Friday (10:44:49 PM): the act of living is pretending to be
Good Friday (10:44:55 PM): living is being
Good Friday (10:44:59 PM): being is living
Good Friday (10:45:02 PM): nonfiguratively
Holy Crap I Rule (10:45:05 PM): so what is thought?
Good Friday (10:45:26 PM): a chemical signal in ur brain
Good Friday (10:45:37 PM): or perhaps not urs personally, but human beings
Holy Crap I Rule (10:46:09 PM): so you suggest life is reduced to no more than the simple act of breathing and chemical impulses?
Good Friday (10:46:58 PM): the right to life is reduced to that yeah
Holy Crap I Rule (10:47:23 PM): no no....RIGHT to life is different than life
Good Friday (10:47:33 PM): people don't all have the right to a house and clothes and all that or they would have them so the right to life is the simple act of breathing and chemical impulses
Holy Crap I Rule (10:47:35 PM): you reduced life to physical existence
Holy Crap I Rule (10:47:57 PM): now you bring in property
Holy Crap I Rule (10:48:05 PM): property has no bearing on right
Good Friday (10:48:58 PM): life: the property of plants and animals which makes it possible to take in food, get energy, and grow
Good Friday (10:49:07 PM): according to webster that's life
Good Friday (10:49:26 PM): life taken figuratively has a whole other meaning
Holy Crap I Rule (10:49:32 PM): your life is defined by a dictionary sold at any book store?
Good Friday (10:49:38 PM): just as heart taken figuratively has another meaning
Good Friday (10:49:58 PM): u didn't ask what I thought life means in which case I would tell you that I'm not really sure yet
Holy Crap I Rule (10:50:10 PM): you've already defined life
Holy Crap I Rule (10:50:18 PM): your life is nothing more than chemical impulses
Holy Crap I Rule (10:50:26 PM): so what is right?
Good Friday (10:50:40 PM): well yeah everyone's life is no more than chemical impulses
Good Friday (10:50:42 PM): that's life at it's most basic level
Holy Crap I Rule (10:50:58 PM): explain what you believe right is
Good Friday (10:52:23 PM): i don't know that right and wrong exists there are always better answers but normally right is whatever i think right is
Holy Crap I Rule (10:52:36 PM): i'm not saying right and wrong
Holy Crap I Rule (10:52:40 PM): i'm saying 'right
Holy Crap I Rule (10:52:43 PM): what 'rights' do i have
Good Friday (10:52:48 PM): i think u should join the philosophy club
Holy Crap I Rule (10:52:56 PM): not my style
Good Friday (10:55:24 PM): rights are the actions that one is entitled to partake in as approved by society/government or anyone who can enforce them successfully
Holy Crap I Rule (10:55:44 PM): there is no inherited, unalienable right, given at the beginning of life?
Good Friday (10:56:12 PM): not necesarily
Good Friday (10:56:33 PM): because obviously people in africa don't have those rights at the beginning of rights
Good friday (10:56:35 PM): of life*
Gurgle (10:56:42 PM): it depends on where u r
Holy Crap I Rule (10:56:46 PM): no? so a government can force a person to not think?
Good Friday (10:57:03 PM): u can think all u want it doesn't mean u can act on ur thoughts
Good Friday (10:57:24 PM): it depends on whether u believe that people are malleable or not
Holy Crap I Rule (10:57:28 PM): oh? the government can tell me i can't move my arm?
Good Friday (10:57:49 PM): if it will enforce it yeah
Holy Crap I Rule (10:58:01 PM): really? i can't blink?
Good Friday (10:58:06 PM): if it's going to tell u that and make it so that u can't move ur arm then yeah
Good Friday (10:58:07 PM): y not?
Good Friday (10:58:21 PM): i dunno u tell me
Holy Crap I Rule (10:58:50 PM): well, if they have the ability to permanently immobilize me...then why wouldn't they kill me and end my thought process as well?
Good Friday (10:59:41 PM): because they're not as vindictive and vengeful as u?
Holy Crap I Rule (10:59:47 PM): not an answer
Good Friday (10:59:48 PM): y would they immobilize u in the first place?
Good Friday (10:59:52 PM): i didn't say they would but i
Holy Crap I Rule (11:00:01 PM): we're not asking why
Good Friday (11:00:19 PM): am saying that if the government or any person for that matter is going to enforce something they say then
Good Friday (11:00:35 PM): then why wouldn't they kill me and end my thought process as well?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:00:37 PM): do they have the right?
Good Friday (11:00:45 PM): u just asked y
Good Friday (11:01:01 PM): no
Holy Crap I Rule (11:01:04 PM): there's a difference between my why and yours.
Good Friday (11:01:06 PM): they don't have the right but they'd still do it
Good Friday (11:01:11 PM): or they may still do it
Holy Crap I Rule (11:01:15 PM): no? but you said if the government and society says it's ok, then it's ok
Good Friday (11:01:44 PM): I didn't say it's OK
Holy Crap I Rule (11:01:49 PM): you said it's their right
Good Friday (11:01:50 PM): i said that they can do it
Holy Crap I Rule (11:02:10 PM): you said society and government determine what rights someone has
Good Friday (11:02:24 PM): NO i said a "right" is the actions that one is entitled to partake in as approved by society/government or anyone who can enforce them successfully
Good Friday (11:02:39 PM): i'm not saying it's their right
Good Friday (11:02:43 PM): i'm just saying that that's what happens
Holy Crap I Rule (11:03:02 PM): i'm not asking what happens. i'm asking what 'right' is and giving hypothetical scenarios
Good Friday (11:03:05 PM): well they do determine what rights someone has do they have the right to do that no
Good Friday (11:03:23 PM): but they do it none the less
Holy Crap I Rule (11:03:26 PM): so you don't believe in unalienable rights?
Good Friday (11:03:47 PM): what do u mean by unalienable rights?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:04:19 PM): a right that can't be taken away
Good Friday (11:04:45 PM): i don't believe they exist no
Good Friday (11:04:48 PM): maybe they're just an ideal
Good Friday (11:04:50 PM): like utopias
Holy Crap I Rule (11:05:02 PM): don't throw me utopia bullshit because we all know it can't exist
Good Friday (11:05:16 PM): but u think rights can?
Good Friday (11:05:24 PM): universally in every situation?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:05:46 PM): i believe people have the unalienable right to think, speak, and act
Holy Crap I Rule (11:06:07 PM): now. just because speech and action is allowed, it doesn't mean a repurcussion can't exist
Holy Crap I Rule (11:06:19 PM): just because i have the right to kill, doesn't mean i should kill or won't be killed for killing
Good Friday (11:06:39 PM): i get that but...then why don't people think, speak, and act in all situations
Good Friday (11:06:45 PM): if it's their right then they should be able to
Good Friday (11:06:53 PM): there shouldn't be anything stopping them should there?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:06:54 PM): well, there's also the unalieable right to fear
Holy Crap I Rule (11:07:10 PM): fear of repurcussion
Good Friday (11:07:12 PM): lol that's funny
Good Friday (11:07:28 PM): then doesn't one of their rights in fringe on the other?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:07:42 PM): once again: the right to act exists, but that doesn't mean the action can't have a re-action. and that re-action enduces fear
Good Friday (11:07:55 PM): which can infringe on the right to act
Good Friday (11:08:04 PM): thus making it nonexistant
Holy Crap I Rule (11:08:16 PM): fear doesn't not infringe on the right to act/speak
Good Friday (11:08:44 PM): yeah it does
Good Friday (11:08:52 PM): and if it doesn't then what does?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:08:57 PM): it's a reaction. action is a reaction to thought. speech is a reaction to thought. fear is a reaction to thought.
Good Friday (11:09:01 PM): what stops those from using their righ tto act/speak
Holy Crap I Rule (11:09:32 PM): fear
Good Friday (11:10:18 PM): Holy Crap I Rule: fear doesn't not infringe on the right to act/speak
Holy Crap I Rule (11:10:29 PM): is stopping infringing?
Good Friday (11:10:38 PM): pretty damn close
Holy Crap I Rule (11:10:43 PM): but not EXACTLY
Holy Crap I Rule (11:11:17 PM): just because i can act, doesn't mean i will
Holy Crap I Rule (11:12:21 PM): i think you're confusing 'right' with 'will'
Good Friday (11:12:41 PM): so ur saying people have rights but they may not use them
Holy Crap I Rule (11:12:53 PM): yes. they may choose to not speak or choose to not act
Good Friday (11:13:25 PM): I get that, but what i'm saying is i think there is always a reason or something that stops them from speaking and choosing not to act which makes real rights nonexistant
Holy Crap I Rule (11:14:15 PM): ok. let's his the basics then. you have no right to think?
Good Friday (11:14:25 PM): i dunno having a right i guess i think it should be unfringeable and i don't think that's possible
Holy Crap I Rule (11:14:30 PM): you have absolutely, no right what-so-ever, to think the way you're thinking?
Good Friday (11:14:43 PM): i CAN think I dunno that i have the right to
Holy Crap I Rule (11:14:49 PM): your thought process should be taken away from you
Good Friday (11:14:58 PM): i dunno maybe i don't know what "right" means to me
Holy Crap I Rule (11:15:02 PM): so i have every right to kill you and end your thought process
Good Friday (11:15:46 PM): no because i believe that people don't have the right to end other's lives
Holy Crap I Rule (11:15:59 PM): because they have the right to live?
Good Friday (11:16:57 PM): well that's just according to the U.S. DOL or wherever it says it
Good Friday (11:17:06 PM): I don't fucking konw
Holy Crap I Rule (11:17:19 PM): once again, you're saying a right is based on government
Good Friday (11:17:35 PM): they're the ones that made them
Holy Crap I Rule (11:17:44 PM): thus if a government chooses to rape you and kill you they have the right to
Good Friday (11:17:44 PM): or named them
Good Friday (11:18:37 PM): i said anyone who will enforce stuff can pretty much do what they want until someone else takes over them
Holy Crap I Rule (11:18:44 PM): do they have the right?
Good Friday (11:19:41 PM): well technically if they MADE rights then they can change them no?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:19:53 PM): you sure they didn't make laws?
Good Friday (11:20:01 PM): so i guess they have the right to make a right that says they can kill and rape me
Good Friday (11:20:21 PM): they made laws that declared the "rights" that were to be in existence under their laws
Good Friday (11:20:23 PM): i guess so
Holy Crap I Rule (11:21:38 PM): ok...so once a person is born, they must live under the laws of the government they were born under?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:25:57 PM): i don't know if you answered my question
Good Friday (11:26:51 PM): yes, if a person is born then they must live under the laws of the government they were born under UNLESS they get old enough or are able enough to leave if they or create a rebellion if they do not agree or do not want to live under the laws of the government in which they were born
Holy Crap I Rule (11:27:35 PM): what if someones parents are british and they are born in france? do they obey france or britain?
Good Friday (11:28:11 PM): wherever there parents are going to live
Holy Crap I Rule (11:28:40 PM): what if the father died in pregnancy, and the mother during birth?
Good Friday (11:28:42 PM): sorry that i'm not all knowing and didn't consider if they were born in a place other than the country they are raised in
Holy Crap I Rule (11:28:56 PM): we're getting to the bottom of this, that's all
Good Friday (11:29:14 PM): then whereever the baby ends up under whatever government it is brought up under it would have to obey unless or until it decides to change that
Holy Crap I Rule (11:29:36 PM): so it has a right to change that?
Good Friday (11:30:04 PM): yeah if it does not agree with the government it can A. move B. rebel or C. commit suicide
Good Friday (11:30:11 PM): but only when it realizes that it doesn't believe in it
Holy Crap I Rule (11:30:15 PM): hmm...a right?
Good Friday (11:30:17 PM): and can act on it
Holy Crap I Rule (11:30:22 PM): that isn't given by the government?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:30:26 PM): and the right to act on it?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:30:37 PM): and a right to choose?
Good Friday (11:31:34 PM): i dunno if it's a right though
Good Friday (11:31:38 PM): that's just being human
Good Friday (11:31:45 PM): it's human nature to not want to be confined
Good Friday (11:31:52 PM): under government or rules that one doesn't believe in
Holy Crap I Rule (11:32:06 PM): so they dont' have the right to act on what they believe?
Good Friday (11:32:12 PM): i dont' know that that means they have the "right"
Good Friday (11:32:21 PM): no
Good Friday (11:32:25 PM): i don't think that's what a right is
Holy Crap I Rule (11:32:30 PM): what is a right?
Good Friday (11:32:33 PM): i dont know what i think a right is but it's not acting on everything
Good Friday (11:32:51 PM): i don't think a right can be defined since i dont think it exists
Holy Crap I Rule (11:33:11 PM): i never said a right is acting on everything they want. i said a right is the ABILITY to act
Good Friday (11:34:08 PM): everyone has differing abilities so would that mean that people have differing rights?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:34:38 PM): no. it doesn't. you made that up, for i never said that. i said "the right to have fear, the right to think, the right to speak, and the right to act"
Holy Crap I Rule (11:34:51 PM): i never said what kind of actions, speech, thought, or fear
Good Friday (11:36:15 PM): Holy Crap I Rule: i never said a right is acting on everything they want. i said a right is the ABILITY to act
Good Friday (11:36:21 PM): u said a right is the ABILITY to act
Good Friday (11:36:44 PM): abilities are differing from person to person unless u think everyone has the ability to have black hair
Good Friday (11:36:53 PM): which means rights must be differing as well
Holy Crap I Rule (11:37:01 PM): now you're just bullshitting
Holy Crap I Rule (11:37:09 PM): what does hair color and talent have to do with the ability to act?
Good Friday (11:37:12 PM): I am not u fucking wrote it
Good Friday (11:37:14 PM): it's not my fault
Good Friday (11:37:26 PM): maybe u don't mean ability
Holy Crap I Rule (11:38:56 PM): ABILITY to act is a right. what kind of ability to act is not.
Good Friday (11:39:34 PM): but ur saying that some people have a stronger ability to act
Good Friday (11:39:49 PM): and other's a weaker ability?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:39:49 PM): sure.
Holy Crap I Rule (11:39:58 PM): but every person has the ability to act
Good Friday (11:39:58 PM): then that means that not everyone has the SAME right
Good Friday (11:40:13 PM): so everyone has the right but to a different degree
Holy Crap I Rule (11:40:50 PM): no, everyone has the same right. but not everyone can do the same thing as other people.
Holy Crap I Rule (11:41:00 PM): fear, thought, speech, action.
Holy Crap I Rule (11:41:08 PM): TALENT and ABILITY are not rights.
Good Friday (11:41:20 PM): U JUST SAID a right is the ABILITY to act
Good Friday (11:41:27 PM): but now ur saying talent and ability are not rights
Good Friday (11:41:33 PM): seems like quite the contradiction to me
Good Friday (11:42:11 PM): now ur just bullshitting
Good Friday (11:42:36 PM): and trying to twist it to work but all u had to say is that ability isn't quite the word u wanted
Holy Crap I Rule (11:42:46 PM): i don't want to say ability.
Holy Crap I Rule (11:42:57 PM): YOU'RE confusing the various defintions of ability
Good Friday (11:43:13 PM): the various definitions?
Good Friday (11:43:16 PM): what are they?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:43:40 PM): ability #1: the capability to do something. ability #2: a skilled way of doing something
Good Friday (11:44:12 PM): ok but u said some people have stronger and weaker capabilities to do something? or did u mean skills?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:45:38 PM): well you'd done it, you've hurt my head
Good Friday (11:46:26 PM): lol well u fucking hurt mine a long time ago so i'm glad
Holy Crap I Rule (11:46:47 PM): yeah, but you're not comprehending hte discussion
Good Friday (11:47:11 PM): i think i am just fine
Good Friday (11:47:31 PM): i don't know what i believe about rights but i don't think that they are abilities
Holy Crap I Rule (11:47:43 PM): then lets scratch abilities
Holy Crap I Rule (11:47:59 PM): no. let's not.
Holy Crap I Rule (11:48:07 PM): ability is the best way to say it without saying 'right'
Good Friday (11:48:42 PM): so a right isn't an action, thought, etc. but it's the ability of those?
Good Friday (11:48:59 PM): a right isn't the actual thing but the possibility of it
Holy Crap I Rule (11:49:23 PM): possiblity isn't hte right word
Holy Crap I Rule (11:49:46 PM): there is no possibility of thought. there is thought. there is possibility of speech. there is speech. no possibility of action. there is action.
Good Friday (11:50:10 PM): so then isn't a right the action, thought, etc?
Good Friday (11:50:17 PM): NOT the Ability of the action thought, etc
Holy Crap I Rule (11:50:27 PM): no, it's still the ability.
Holy Crap I Rule (11:50:38 PM): i can't do something without having the ability to do it
Good Friday (11:50:44 PM): y? see i just think ability is too weak
Holy Crap I Rule (11:50:57 PM): then suggest the right word
Good Friday (11:50:57 PM): RIGHT so u can't have a right unless u have teh ability to do it
Good Friday (11:51:11 PM): so everyone can't have the same rights if they don't have the same abilities
Holy Crap I Rule (11:51:45 PM): name the moment when someone doesn't have the same ability as someone else
Good Friday (11:51:51 PM): i can't that's y i have a hard time defining right
Good Friday (11:51:58 PM): their genes
Holy Crap I Rule (11:52:06 PM): what would their genes do?
Good Friday (11:52:06 PM): not everyone has the same ability to lose weight
Good Friday (11:52:16 PM): everyone CAN lose weight but not at the same level
Holy Crap I Rule (11:52:19 PM): jesus christ
Holy Crap I Rule (11:52:27 PM): that's a different defintion of ability
Good Friday (11:52:30 PM): religion has nothing to do with it
Holy Crap I Rule (11:52:40 PM): this is why you're getting confused.
Good Friday (11:52:41 PM): well then what's ur definition?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:52:43 PM): that's TALENT
Holy Crap I Rule (11:52:54 PM): i'm not discussing degrees of ability.
Good Friday (11:53:02 PM): but don't people with talent have a greater ability? and thus more right
Holy Crap I Rule (11:53:04 PM): i'm discussing the actual ability
Holy Crap I Rule (11:53:15 PM): No
Holy Crap I Rule (11:53:31 PM): you're saying baseball players have more rights than deaf people
Good Friday (11:53:42 PM): NO ur saying that
Good Friday (11:53:45 PM): when u use ability
Good Friday (11:53:55 PM): i'm saying baseball players have more ability than deaf people
Good Friday (11:53:59 PM): at least when it comes to baseball
Holy Crap I Rule (11:54:00 PM): would capability make you feel better?
Good Friday (11:54:09 PM): and it follows under ur definition that they'd have more rights
Holy Crap I Rule (11:54:32 PM): no. once the ability is attained, they have right. just because more ability exists, doesn't mean more right exists.
Holy Crap I Rule (11:54:55 PM): action, thought, speech, fear. more fear does not equal more rights.
Good Friday (11:55:14 PM): a right =the ability to act, etc. so when ability is increased, right isn't? it's just like balancing a checkbook
Holy Crap I Rule (11:55:25 PM): no it's not.
Good Friday (11:55:35 PM): capability might be better
Holy Crap I Rule (11:55:40 PM): an inalienable right is a right that cannot be taken away or increased.
Holy Crap I Rule (11:55:59 PM): once the right and CAPABILITY are there, they are there. not for the taking. not for the giving.
Good Friday (11:56:22 PM): so a right can be infringed on because it isn't taken away?
Holy Crap I Rule (11:57:08 PM): a right can be infringed, yes. but a right can't be taken away.
Holy Crap I Rule (11:57:13 PM): a right cannot be given away.
Holy Crap I Rule (11:57:17 PM): the right is there.
Holy Crap I Rule (11:57:24 PM): but the person might not act on the right.
Good Friday (11:57:36 PM): so then everoyne always has rights no matter what anyone else does
Holy Crap I Rule (11:57:48 PM): yes
Good Friday (11:58:00 PM): so the government killing a person does not end their right to live?
Good Friday (11:58:16 PM): thus stopping or getting rid of the person's right
Good Friday (11:58:19 PM): which is supposedly impossible
Good Friday (11:58:22 PM): according to u
Holy Crap I Rule (11:58:39 PM): i never said living was a right
Good Friday (12:00:05 AM): so then we only have 4 rights according to u?
Holy Crap I Rule (12:00:21 AM): four inalienable rights
Good Friday (12:00:26 AM): to take action, speak, fear, and think
Holy Crap I Rule (12:00:46 AM): thought, speech, fear, thought
Good Friday (12:01:27 AM): so speech cannot be taken away from someone if their tongue is cut out?
Good Friday (12:01:45 AM): that's not ending a right?
Holy Crap I Rule (12:01:46 AM): speech isn't necessarily talking.
Good Friday (12:01:49 AM): if the government cuts someone's tongue
Good Friday (12:01:54 AM): alright
Holy Crap I Rule (12:02:16 AM): speech can be writing, speech can be sign language, speech can be silent protest, speech can be a hunger strike, etc etc
Good Friday (12:02:31 AM): doesn't stopping the chemical processes of thought by killing someone, stop their right to think
Good Friday (12:02:48 AM): actually ur wrong all of those things u speak of are language/communication
Good Friday (12:02:57 AM): speech is the production of sound
Holy Crap I Rule (12:03:09 AM): no, i'm afraid i don't agree with you.
Good Friday (12:03:10 AM): i learned that in EVERY one of my CMD courses
Holy Crap I Rule (12:03:13 AM): you can speak without words.
Good Friday (12:03:22 AM): NO! u can communicate without words
Holy Crap I Rule (12:03:32 AM): sorry. i don't agree.
Good Friday (12:03:39 AM): hmmm u can speak without words only if ur vocal folds are vibrating still
Good Friday (12:03:51 AM): well that's the definition accepted by every speech pathologist
Good Friday (12:03:54 AM): and myself
Good Friday (12:04:14 AM): communication is what u r looking for but even so
Good Friday (12:04:31 AM): isn't killing a person killing their right to think?
Holy Crap I Rule (12:04:42 AM): if you're not alive, you're not thinking
Holy Crap I Rule (12:04:49 AM): if you're not alive, you don't have rights, now do you?
Good Friday (12:05:44 AM): but ur saying that people can take away someone's rights
Good Friday (12:06:05 AM): and i don't think u made the unalienable rights contingent on the living
Good Friday (12:06:10 AM): but i'd agree with it
Good Friday (12:06:27 AM): but someone can take away someone's rights by killing them
Holy Crap I Rule (12:06:28 AM): well can a rock have the four inalieable rights?
Holy Crap I Rule (12:06:33 AM): once someone is dead, they have no rights
Good Friday (12:06:36 AM): i agree with u on that
Holy Crap I Rule (12:07:02 AM): now this is where it becomes even hairier
Good Friday (12:07:14 AM): so then y don't people just eat other's bodies
Good Friday (12:07:21 AM): or do whatever they wish once they're dead
Holy Crap I Rule (12:07:22 AM): why would they?
Good Friday (12:07:36 AM): b/c they hate them that much
Good Friday (12:07:40 AM): they killed them after all
Holy Crap I Rule (12:07:40 AM): just because they can it doesn't mena they want to, lady. that's a horrible reference.
Good Friday (12:07:55 AM): well that's what they did in the Iliad
Good Friday (12:07:56 AM): and Antigone
Good Friday (12:08:02 AM): not the eating them part
Holy Crap I Rule (12:08:03 AM): so?
Good Friday (12:08:07 AM): but they wouldn't bury them
Holy Crap I Rule (12:08:44 AM): so?
Good Friday (12:08:46 AM): i still think killing a person ends a right
Good Friday (12:08:50 AM): and makes it unalienable
Holy Crap I Rule (12:08:55 AM): sure, it ends a right
Good Friday (12:09:29 AM): u said that unalienable rights cannot be taken away
Good Friday (12:09:36 AM): Holy Crap I Rule: a right can be infringed, yes. but a right can't be taken away.
Holy Crap I Rule (12:09:57 AM): that didn't say end, did it?
Good Friday (12:10:03 AM): by taking another's life it takes away their right
Holy Crap I Rule (12:10:13 AM): it ends their right
Good Friday (12:10:44 AM): but the people didn't take away something they had one day and dont the next?
Good Friday (12:11:02 AM): y did it end? because someone took it away
Good Friday (12:11:06 AM): the right was TAKEN AWAY
Holy Crap I Rule (12:11:11 AM): they ended it. once again: can you take something that exists only for the living, from the dead?
Good Friday (12:11:31 AM): but they took it away from the living
Good Friday (12:11:37 AM): the heart can beat after the brain dies
Holy Crap I Rule (12:11:38 AM): no, they ended the life.
Holy Crap I Rule (12:11:46 AM): the right doesn't go away before they die.
Good Friday (12:11:47 AM): which means they take away their thought BEFORE they are dead
Good Friday (12:11:51 AM): YES IT DOES
Holy Crap I Rule (12:12:18 AM): interesting
Holy Crap I Rule (12:12:32 AM): are you pro-life?
Good Friday (12:13:26 AM): are you bored ur gf isn't keeping u busy enough that u wanna start another debate with me?
Good Friday (12:13:30 AM): what does pro life mean?
Good Friday (12:13:32 AM): for living
Holy Crap I Rule (12:13:35 AM): no. this is the same debate.
Good Friday (12:13:38 AM): I don't know if i am or i'm not
Holy Crap I Rule (12:14:05 AM): i'm just wondering when you think life begins and ends
Good Friday (12:14:09 AM): is that what u mean by pro life?
Holy Crap I Rule (12:14:12 AM): your heartbeat thing interested me.
Good Friday (12:14:16 AM): im not against abortion ok
Holy Crap I Rule (12:14:37 AM): i meant pro-life abortion, wise. for the pro-life standpoint is that life begins and conception
Good Friday (12:15:13 AM): i don't think i know enough about it
Holy Crap I Rule (12:15:23 AM): so when does life end?
Good Friday (12:15:54 AM): when there is no more activity
Good Friday (12:16:07 AM): brain-wise, body-wise, heart-wise
Holy Crap I Rule (12:16:09 AM): so the twitching body of a headless chicken is life?
Good Friday (12:16:13 AM): whenever the last part stops
Good Friday (12:16:15 AM): yeah
Good Friday (12:16:18 AM): it's still alive
Good Friday (12:16:22 AM): until it stops twitching
Good Friday (12:16:26 AM): vegetables r living
Holy Crap I Rule (12:16:27 AM): so life exists without thought?
Good Friday (12:16:33 AM): and they don't have brain activity
Good Friday (12:16:36 AM): yeah
Holy Crap I Rule (12:16:37 AM): i'm not discussing vegetables.
Holy Crap I Rule (12:16:40 AM): i'm discussing people.
Good Friday (12:16:49 AM): vegetables are people
Good Friday (12:17:02 AM): im not saying the carrots and lettuce vegetable
Good Friday (12:17:15 AM): but yes life can exist without thought
Holy Crap I Rule (12:17:23 AM): interesting
Holy Crap I Rule (12:17:51 AM): there goes the theory "i think, therefore i am"
Good Friday (12:18:11 AM): i suppose so
Holy Crap I Rule (12:18:34 AM): so how does someone prove they're alive?
Good Friday (12:19:01 AM): they most likely cant if they're brain dead
Good Friday (12:19:13 AM): but just because something can't be proven doesn't mean it isn't
Good Friday (12:19:23 AM): i have to pee brb
Holy Crap I Rule (12:19:28 AM): yep
Good Friday (12:20:17 AM): k
Holy Crap I Rule (12:20:48 AM): so life is the mere act of any physical activity?
Good Friday (12:21:05 AM): yes i guess so
Holy Crap I Rule (12:21:19 AM): so robots have life?
Good Friday (12:21:25 AM): physical, chemical
Holy Crap I Rule (12:21:54 AM): robots have oil and grease
Good Friday (12:22:17 AM): possibly they have life, not the same life as humans, but humans don't have the same life as plants
Holy Crap I Rule (12:22:29 AM): so what is human life?
Good Friday (12:22:29 AM): but i don't think ANYTHING
Good Friday (12:22:36 AM): with physical activity has life
Good Friday (12:22:52 AM): i mean a space ship dropping out of the sky doesn't have life
Holy Crap I Rule (12:22:52 AM): but tha'ts the same life plants have
Good Friday (12:23:34 AM): do plants have physical activity?
Holy Crap I Rule (12:23:39 AM): ofcourse
Holy Crap I Rule (12:23:54 AM): photosynthesis...reproduction...growing...
Good Friday (12:23:56 AM): the only physical activity i can think of is that in which it turns towards the sun
Good Friday (12:24:52 AM): ok
Holy Crap I Rule (12:25:03 AM): so what defines the life of a plant?
Good Friday (12:25:29 AM): i guess the same thing as that of a human, the physical and chemical acts occuring
Holy Crap I Rule (12:25:39 AM): so once again...a robot has life
Good Friday (12:25:46 AM): i definitely have to go to bed now though cause i got midterms in the morning
Good Friday (12:25:58 AM): possibly but i dunno that robots have chemical life?
Holy Crap I Rule (12:26:09 AM): once again, greese, oil, water....
Good Friday (12:26:12 AM): like food, nourishment, thought, stuff liek that
Holy Crap I Rule (12:26:16 AM): there must be a better definition of life
Holy Crap I Rule (12:26:21 AM): THOUGHT
Good Friday (12:26:23 AM): but grease and oil just helps it move
Holy Crap I Rule (12:26:24 AM): ! HA!
Good Friday (12:26:29 AM): no
Holy Crap I Rule (12:26:33 AM): you said thought!
Holy Crap I Rule (12:26:37 AM): I DECLARE VICTORY!
Holy Crap I Rule (12:26:40 AM): THOUGHT EQUALS LIFE!
Good Friday (12:26:50 AM): but thought is not the only thing that equals life
Good Friday (12:27:02 AM): thought does not equal life
Holy Crap I Rule (12:27:02 AM): AH YES! BUT THOUGHT IS NECESSARY FOR LIFE!
Good Friday (12:27:05 AM): and life can exist without thought
Good Friday (12:27:12 AM): no it's not
Holy Crap I Rule (12:27:13 AM): oh? so robots are alive?
Good Friday (12:27:34 AM): i don't know maybe they are alive but not in the same way
Good Friday (12:27:40 AM): they have physical action
Holy Crap I Rule (12:27:43 AM): so what is the difference?
Holy Crap I Rule (12:27:49 AM): between plant/human/robot
Good Friday (12:27:50 AM): but not the same physical action
Good Friday (12:27:54 AM): so they have life but differnt life
Good Friday (12:27:59 AM): different quality
Good Friday (12:28:17 AM): well yeah, the different between a human and a plant is brain, heart
Holy Crap I Rule (12:28:23 AM): so your toaster has life?
Good Friday (12:28:30 AM): i guesss so
Good Friday (12:28:38 AM): not the same life but it has life
Good Friday (12:28:53 AM): but i still say rights are taken away
Holy Crap I Rule (12:28:56 AM): so is your forcing it to cook your bread an infringement of it's right to do what it wants?
Good Friday (12:29:03 AM): and im going to bed so i'll ttyl
Good Friday (12:29:08 AM): yes
Good Friday (12:29:15 AM): which is y i don't think rights exist
Holy Crap I Rule (12:29:50 AM): oh well. i'll save this convo for further reference toaster lady

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Good Friday (12:30:18 AM): OMG give me a break u can see what i meant
Good Friday (12:30:22 AM): just as i could see what u meant
Good Friday (12:30:31 AM): but it doesn't mean i agree with u or u agree with me
Holy Crap I Rule (12:30:57 AM): ofcourse i don't agree with you. i'm gonna kick my toaster tomorrow in spite.

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